What Kind Of Faith Is Science?

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Do you have faith for spiritual things and for your prayer time and for going to church and all that, but when it comes to your practical life, you have to rely on science instead? Is that you? Welcome to Jon's Voice Notes, where I, Jon, take whatever topic I'm thinking about today and I go and I see what happens.

So let's go ahead and get started. Well, first I'm in my favorite little nook for doing these. My Jon's Voice Notes nook here. Beautiful out, sunny, but it's hot. Everything's green. It looks definitely like summer now. We are in summer all the way. I got my air conditioner running. So hopefully I won't go too long because, you know, wasting gas, right?

But all right, now I'll really get started. So what got me started about this, and I want to say up front, I'm not judging anybody because some of the people I'm thinking about when I say this, I don't actually know their full thoughts.

I just know what it appears to be their full thoughts. So if I were to sit down and talk with them, they might say, well, that's not the way I see it or that's not what I believe. So hopefully I'll remember not to really say names because I'm not accusing anyone or charging anyone or even assuming that I fully understand their worldviews. However, this is what got me thinking is...

I've kind of fallen in with and hanging around with the people who are doing the carnivore eating lifestyle for health purposes. Contrary to what we've all been taught, apparently red meat is good for you and butter is good for you and fat is good for you and meat, especially red meat like beef, is one of the most nutrient-dense foods on the planet. This is the kind of thing I've learned.

I'm not sure my own doctor even believes that, but I've seen some of the science and listened to some of these doctors who do talk about it. It's quite the experiment. There's a global experiment with tens of thousands, maybe more people right now trying this way of eating. They try not to call it a diet because it's a way of eating. It's a lifestyle.

But, and I hear a lot of the science they share, and I hear a lot of the testimonies that are shared, and I think I believe it. Enough so that I've been trying it myself and getting some great health results. But this episode is not about the carnivore eating lifestyle. What it's actually about is one of the foundational ideas that I have heard. I may have talked about this before.

But one of the foundational ideas I have repeatedly heard a number of the carnivore doctors saying, as well as whole businesses, that their business name and their approach and their marketing is based on this idea.

That we need to, in order to be healthy as human beings and eat the food we're designed for, we need to go back to our roots and eat the way our primal ancestors ate for hundreds of thousands of years. Basically,

The foundational idea seems to be that they lived off meat, and therefore they evolved for that to be best. I heard one doctor talking about how, or I don't know if it was a doctor or if I read it somewhere, that at the end of the last ice age, human beings evolved to eat meat, possibly to survive. And I couldn't help but think,

Wouldn't it be more likely that it wasn't after the last ice age, it was after the flood, which may have involved an ice age. Probably not as long as you're told, but there may have been a lot of ice or whatever. But here's what's actually true. Here's what's actually true. And I believe this hook, line, and sinker. I don't have a contradiction between my faith...

and my convictions about reality. They're one and the same. God made Adam and Eve and put them in a garden. I'm pretty open to the idea that it was between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago rather than millions of years ago or hundreds of thousands, whatever. Probably closer to the 6,000, but I'm not 100% sure on that. But that's what I read in my Bible, and I've heard all sorts of people arguing back and forth about the science.

But I believe it. I believe it. You're talking to someone who absolutely believes the Bible is true. So Adam and Eve were created as vegetarians, as herbivores. They were given the plants to eat. You can go read it in Genesis for yourself.

And then that whole little thing where the serpent tricked them and talked to them and deceived them and led them astray into eating the fruit that they were not supposed to eat. The knowledge of good and evil or the knowledge of good and bad or whatever that was. And evil and sin and wickedness came into their lives.

So, and at that point, God made for them, when he found them naked and ashamed and they'd sewed fig leaves, interestingly, God clothed them with, I think, gosh, I don't have my Bible open. I've always been taught this. Now I want to go read it and make sure I'm reading it correctly, but I think he clothed them with like skins, like animal skins.

So maybe the first sign that humans' survival now requires death in somebody else, the animals. So I do not know after that if humans started eating animals at some point. We know that Abel was a keeper of animals and Cain was a keeper of vegetables and a garden, so they're already specializing.

What did they do with those animals? Were they doing animal sacrifices? Did they eat the animals? Did they get milk from them? What did they do? I don't know. But it wasn't until Genesis 9, after the flood, there was a global flood. Yes, there really was a global flood. I believe it.

I believe it. I don't believe people that tell me that science contradicts this. I don't believe this in spite of the science. I believe scientists have a bias and they're looking at things in such a way where they're going to read what they want to see.

The human mind wants to raise itself up higher than God's revelation. That's what's really going on. So someone asked me once, if someone ever proved your faith wrong, would you change it? And I told them, you don't understand the nature of my faith. My faith is that it's never going to be proven wrong.

I may learn something or learn that I was wrong about some specific thing, but Christianity is never going to be proven wrong. That's my faith. The Bible will never be proven wrong. So it isn't, I'll believe the Bible even if it's proven wrong, where I'm putting my faith in contrast to science. No, my faith is that the science will eventually catch up to the reality that God has revealed in the Bible.

possible that we misinterpret something and that after some science you look at it again and go you know there's another way this could legitimately be read that could happen but that doesn't mean we get to just make stuff up do whatever we want with it so the carnivore world eating world is going in this direction where they want to return to their ancestors like the hunters in the wild that killed their meat and ate it you know and evolved as meat eaters after the last ice age and

While I believe a lot of the science that's coming out and progressing about the healthy nature of eating meat, I don't believe that it has anything to do with the way we evolved. It has to do with the way God designed us. Here's one of my questions for you to think about. And I don't think this is revealed in the Bible. We can only speculate. But after the flood, it was then that God said...

The fear of you is going to fall on all the animals. They're going to dread of you and says, just as I gave you the plants to eat, now I give you these animals to eat. And then later they get some specifics about clean animals and unclean animals. And, you know, the Mosaic law had some restrictions for them.

But God said, eat meat. Now here's, I wonder why he did that. And I don't, like, I don't think it's 100% revealed. I just have some curiosity speculations you can think of with me.

Was it practical? Was there a shortage in the world, but they had all these animals on the ark that immediately could eat grass and things that humans couldn't eat? The early things that were springing up after the flood before they were able to really make food or whatever. Were some vegetables and plants and fruits that were super nutritious and super healthy gone from the earth? They did not come back after the flood? Or God left them in the garden and they didn't come out into the world?

So they need meat now in order to be sustained? So in order to be healthy now, you've got to eat meat. Is it practical or is there a shortage? Did God change human physiology at that point? We're only talking several thousands of years ago. We're not talking hundreds of thousands of years ago. Did God say...

Let the human beings be omnivores now. They can eat plants and animals. Did he change our digestive system? Did he change something about us so that we would better be equipped to eat meat? Or was it always our same bodies from the beginning that just turned out to be able to eat meat because God foresaw? I don't know.

I wonder if, but, you know, science people, which I am one, by the way, I believe in science. That's not possible. It's like, well, you're not understanding the God claim.

We're claiming this God said, let there be light, and there was light. Let all the animals come. Let all the birds come. Let the fish in the sea come. He crafted human beings. He made a woman out of the man's side. This is an amazing being. So it is totally believable and possible that God could have said, just like he said earlier,

Now there's going to be, you know, thorns and weeds to confront you when you're trying to live. In the same way, he changed something. Something changed in creation. God could have done that after the flood. I don't know if he did. I don't know that he did do this. But he could have, after the flood, said, changed the physiology of Noah, his wife, his sons, and their wives.

So that now human beings are better equipped to eat meat. These are all better explanations than our primal ancestors, you know, attacking and killing the woolly mammoth. I know I'm being a little mocking there. So, I know there's a lot of Christians in the carnivore community, and I wonder how many of them buy into the primal, you know, ancient eating thing.

There have been peoples that ate mostly meat. That's true. But there's been agriculture since the beginning. I mean, one of the first things Noah... It's after the flood. And there was tillers of the ground at the very beginning. In fact, God put Adam in the garden to till the garden. So agriculture has been with us from the start. We did not evolve into it. It's been here from the start. We may have wrecked it. It's totally possible that we have wrecked agriculture and made it unhealthy for us.

So why is this eating meat only lifestyle or adding a lot of meat to your lifestyle for your health turning out to be so healthy beneficial? I don't know. But it's not anything to do with evolution. It could be God changed something, but it's nothing to do with evolution. So if you are interested in that diet, don't buy into that part of it.

It makes me sad sometimes. Where are the Christians inventing the good stuff, like figuring out that eating meat is healthy and butter is healthy and fat is healthy?

If you don't believe me, start looking into it. There's more and more stuff coming out that literally the cure to some of our problems, not all, but some of our problems, blood sugar problems and insulin problems, is in all this eating meat more and eating less carbs and much less processed food and more focus on meat than plants. There have been people...

Tribal peoples and nomadic peoples that primarily lived off meat and were healthy. Some of the natives in America. Some of the Inuits and others up north that lived primarily on meat products.

There's a fascinating study where a couple of guys went up there and lived with them and were surprised how healthy they were eating only meat. So they tried it for a year and they didn't have all the problems they thought they would. So human beings are designed to eat meat. I was just talking to my wife this morning that the Jewish religion...

as established by God through Moses, that part and season of the Jewish, Israel, the Israelite, Jews and the rest of Israel, their religion actually required them to eat meat. No vegetarians.

They weren't into that, or God wasn't into that, apparently. They had to sacrifice animals, and the Levites and the priests ate some of it, and I believe some of it, like the Passover, for example, the actual people that were offering the animal, they ate it. Some of it they didn't. Some of it went to the priests and Levites. Some of it was taken outside the camp. Read it all. It's quite a lot to it. But eating meat was a part of their worship, right?

part of their worship. In fact, when Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego said, we're not going to eat the king's meat, we're just going to eat vegetables, when they were carried off to Babylon, that was not about vegetables being more healthy than meat. That was about who was the sacrifice made to. Those were animals that were sacrificed and

to foreign gods. So they were basically saying, we worship Yahweh, our temple is destroyed, and we don't have a place to offer our worship with the animals, but we're not going to eat your idol worship animals. That's what they did. I think God had to supernaturally help them with their health. I don't think the vegetables were more healthy than the meat. I don't know that. I wasn't there. What were they doing to that meat, right?

None of this is contradictory to science or the idea of science. Don't let anyone deceive you into thinking there's a war. I have a whole other episode about this. I think it's called, Do You Should Christians Believe the Science? And then I've probably brought it up at other times. But there is no war between faith and science. There may be a war between superstition and science sometimes. And sometimes people that have faith can also be superstitious or ignorant. That's possible.

But if science clears things up, it's clearing away the superstitions and the fake stuff. It's not clearing up God's revelation. God's revelation is the source of science. It's the source of how we know that the world is created and that we're supposed to take dominion. We can go study it and make use of it. That all came out of faith. Faith comes first. In fact, you cannot practice science without faith.

I can hear the people screeching and arguing with me because they define faith as this kind of irrational belief in something that's untrue or can't be proven. That's kind of the working definition people have. But I define it as the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. It's a belief in revelation. So if God says...

Um, this is the truth and you don't have any science to prove it. It's still the truth. It's a form. It's revelation. You can believe it and be sure that the science, actual real science will never contradict it. And if it does, the science is wrong.

Or you may find, okay, I misread that part. It doesn't have to be read that way now that we went to the moon and saw the world was round. The Bible never says the earth is flat. It does present a cosmology. Is that the right word? Some people say it looks like it might be flat, but the sphere of the earth is discussed in the Bible. They knew. God knew. God always knew. It wasn't a revelation for him.

So am I making sense? The thing that made me think about all this was just the idea of we need to be carnivore eaters because of our ancestors that were all living in the wild and living off animals. While there have been people that have done that, our first ancestors were vegetarians and farmers and animal keepers, whatever they did with them. And then after the flood, they were given both plants and animals to eat. Humans are herbivores by God's design.

And either from the very start our bodies could handle meat or he did something. Only he knows. Unless you find it. If you find it in the Bible, contact me. Gospelofeverything.com slash contact. I've never noticed an explanation. I'm just speculating there. So faith, science, they go together better than chocolate and peanut butter. Which is not allowed on the carnivore diet.

All right, thank you so much for listening to my voice notes today. I hope you learned something or got inspired or came to understand that you don't have to live in conflict between faith and science because there's no real conflict. Faith is required for science. You have to believe that your observations are real and matter. You have to believe in the observations of others that you've heard, scientists that you've read.

So, all right. I'm starting again when I'm supposed to be ending. Thank you for listening to my voice notes. 

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